Tulpa.info - metaphysics

It's the same "higher power" that makes us breathe, makes our heart beat, grows our hair, digests our food etc

haha. it's just a snippet from somewhere I picked up in my readings.

4:39 AM

GOD as it were. has many names. and is vastly misrepresented due to the nature of each person's individual experience with such a thing

Also I should add that Roger includes the disclaimer that all of these are just concepts, intended as pointers not as truths

ooo

4:39 AM

I should go cross a paragraph or two from the responce I have crafted then

The "goal" is the falling away of all beliefs

4:40 AM

Hahaha

It was nearing the 500 character limit as it was

lol. I think it's 2,000

oh. then that

4:41 AM

i think i was like 150 characters away. it started counting down anyway

dang haha

haha. i suppose i get too into such topics as these, considering beliefs are a thing that we are supposedly meant to do away with

I'm the same way

Roger says there (usually) has to be an intellectual understanding of what we're looking after first before the body/mind can figure out experientially what the concepts describe in theory

oh that reminds me, I have a prewritten message detailing how the Kyballion defines GOD and goes about doing so through a process of elimination. If you should care to see it I'll post it after the other things.

Yes!

oh definitely. I spent like 2-3 years reading books and then came to a more full understanding of the things i read while hitchhiking across the usa. good times. heh

sounds awesome

stories for another time~

4:46 AM

To define "Personal doership", is it just "affirmations?" "I mantra therefore I do?" The examples that you have provided, are they examples of the false belief in such a thing? I am still confused here. Perhaps this Roger Castillo has a short video I could watch on just the false belief in personal doership. (edited)

4:46 AM

going to break up my super long message into several posts

Unfortunately the man doesn't really deal in short videos, all his YouTube uploads are like 2 hours long haha, which is why I've worked on that little written summary I pasted above

figures. perhaps someone was kind enough to rip into one of his videos and upload a short version that's terribly out of context

Actually a friend of mine started a YouTube channel with shorter Roger clips just the other day, let me find the link

ooo.

(Roger condoned it apparently)

hmmmm interesting

4:49 AM

Well, I was going to go looking on my own eventually.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqYjc9FdVRSdvLJkdtHdhkQ/videos

Roger Castillo - Video Clips

This channel introduces viewers to concepts presented by Roger Castillo.

Yess awesome. Still, will check it out later. (added to one of my many...many openbrowser tabs)

hahaha cool

This next pasted message deals with A sentence that I felt was untrue, but that you have cleared up as just a concept, not a truth. I'm going to paste it here regardless and without edits just for the purpose of discussion

4:53 AM

Oh yes, I see. Pulling from hermetic principals, That egg and sperm process is indeed a Cause; the Effect of which is the creation of and growth of A Mind and Body. I just am of the opinion that our surroundings and the way our parents or lack of parents raised us have more of an impact on who we are than just what sequence our DNA is. And sure, a baby being born to parents of certain races are going to have the effect of that ancestrial lineage as part of the influencing aspect of their upbringing...but what about those babies that are adopted by those of other races. Are they not different than they would have been had they been raised by their own biological parents? ......I suppose there isn't really a clear way to scientifically prove this. Even identical twins develop separate personalities. I suppose what I was trying to say here was: To only say

All of our thoughts, decisions and actions are really a result of our genetic design

Whereas Just saying "All of our thoughts, decicions and actions are really a result of our conditioning" would ring as true. (edited)

Hah I get you

bah I copied it from the posted message on my private server and it didn't save all my fancy text formatting

I feel your pain of lost formatting

4:56 AM

lol typo

it was so much easier to read before, and now it's sad and spammy. I weep for the loss

4:57 AM

I see what you're getting at though. yet another miscommunication of words and definitions

eerfjt70j3- accounts

4:57 AM

Basically "genetic design" doesn't just mean "skin colour", it means that evolution gradually designed us as lifeforms, animals, mammals, apes, humans, Lusovius

4:58 AM

The sun gave rise to a planetary disk gave rise to Earth gave rise to mitosis gave rise to bacteria gave rise to fish gave rise to mammals gave rise to apes gave rise to humans gave rise to you

4:58 AM

You're life unfolding

Cause - Effect - Etc

Yeah exactly

fair enough

Copied with formatting this time. ~~my soul can be at peace~~ My reason for disagreeing with the last sentence was just that the way it was worded made it seem like a switch could be flipped and suddenly everything is rainbows and butterflies. The sentence as it stands leaves a lot out. Perhaps it would be simpler to just say When our attitude of doership and attachment falls away then peace of mind persists on a continuous basis. Which would align more closely with some of the buddhist teachings that I have encountered. The start of that sentence

"When we deeply recognize"

hints at a process..a prescription of doing.

5:03 AM

I'm going to do a bit of dishes while I await your response. When I come back, and when conversation lulls a bit I'll paste the bit about finding god through process of elimination

Yeah nah that's a fair enough caveat for sure

5:08 AM

"Through the gradual process of coming to deeply recognize [by way of new conditioning delivered by life, interacting with our current conditioning and design) that we are not a separate "doer" entity that's separate from and uninfluenced by life, that recognition leads to the falling away of our psychological attitude. Happiness in the form of unbroken peace of mind is simply the absence of this attitude"

Good lord that's a mouthful

lol

5:10 AM

you said the sentence as it stood left a lot out, so I added it back in ;P

5:10 AM

Let me also use this opportunity to state that anger and sadness are described as emotional pain, they are not the same as attitudinal suffering

5:11 AM

A loved one dies. Natural sadness = emotional pain in the moment. Suffering is the additional layer of discomfort, "I should have spent more time with them, I'm not sad enough, I shouldn't be this sad" etc

5:11 AM

Happiness is sadness without guilt, anger without blame/hatred

5:12 AM

Happiness is the falling away of something, not the addition of something

5:12 AM

The falling away of that huge load of attitudinal discomfort with yourself and the other

5:14 AM

through an experiential understanding that life couldn't be the least bit different and is unfolding "just as intended"

5:20 AM

Happiness is to have no regrets about the past, no complaints about the present, no expectations about the future

5:21 AM

(while still continuing to function normally on a biological/emotional level, naturally moving towards pleasure and away from pain)

It seems to me that "Happiness" is not a word that easily describes all of those things. But English is that way with words.

Yeah basically "happiness" is just used as a synonym for peace of mind in this context

5:22 AM

And peace of mind is described as the non-arising of guilt, blame, pride, worries and expectations

5:23 AM

I'm starting to repeat myself as usual haha

hmm mhm. Anyways, yes. the sentence as it stood left a lot out. To just use it as a sharing point; introduction to the concept, not to toot my own horn the sentence I provided does that without asking for immediate additional information. As soon as a person starts asking for further information. But HOW do I reach a state where my attitude of [...]? Then the door is opened for the full force of the message. Heh, or maybe a gentler version than that mouthful depending on who's asking. (edited)

Haha yeah for sure. I'm still constantly refining the summary a bit. Point definitely taken

5:30 AM

I guess I put it at the end because that sentence could be "inferred" from the earlier description that happiness is the end of suffering, the end of suffering is peace of mind, suffering occurs based on a false belief, that belief is false because of design/conditioning, etc

5:31 AM

I don't think it's false to say that human beings are instinctively looking for happiness, it's just that we mistake happiness for pleasure, which is why I like the opening to be "happiness is available, but pleasure isn't it"

It's not our fault life gave us pleasure as a means to willingly produce more life. And then of course made pleasure produce a similar effect in the brain to peace of mind. Alas, the trap of the profane realms.

Yeah, all lifeforms naturally move towards pleasure and away from pain. It's just that humans get attached to the belief that pleasure adds to their completeness, and pain takes away from it

5:38 AM

Peace of mind has nothing to do with endorphins though. "Resting in being" or "witnessing" or "samadhi" or "non-dual experiences" or "bliss" or whatever you wanna call it is a way of connecting to our true nature, but it's not available on an unbroken basis. Peace of mind is even simpler than that

I gotta say it's a trip knowing that shake is going to say something but seeing Marissa typing. This server is very strange

XDD fair

I assume all the tulpa servers have that bot tho.

5:40 AM

also, by the by, do you know of a tulpa server that has a more active metaphysics/occult userbase than this one?

I'm only on one other tulpa server, and that one is pretty small/inactive/a bit more DID-focused. Apparently all the other servers out there suck

oof

But the people who tell me that the other servers suck are themselves not into meta/occult sooo

yeah that's fair.

5:42 AM

I suppose i'll just have to JOIN THEM ALL

5:42 AM

won't know for myself otherwise x3 (edited)

lol

ah right, here's that Kyballion thing i kept hinting at

nice

Paraphrasing from The Kybalion chapter 4:

http://www.kybalion.org/kybalion.php?chapter=IV
The Hermetists believe and teach that THE ALL, "in itself," is and must ever be UNKNOWABLE. They regard all the theories, guesses and speculations of the theologians and metaphysicians regarding the inner nature of THE ALL, as but the childish efforts of mortal minds to grasp the secret of the Infinite. Such efforts have always failed and will always fail, from the very nature of the task.

1. THE ALL must be ALL that REALLY IS. There can be nothing existing outside of THE ALL, else THE ALL would not be THE ALL.
2. THE ALL must be INFINITE, for there is nothing else to define, confine, bound, limit or restrict THE ALL. It must be Infinite in Time, or ETERNAL
3. THE ALL must be IMMUTABLE, or not subject to change in its real nature, for there is nothing to work changes upon it; nothing into which it could change, nor from which it could have changed. It cannot be added to nor subtracted from; increased nor diminished

THE ALL being Infinite, Absolute, Eternal and Unchangeable it must follow that anything finite, changeable, fleeting, and conditioned cannot be THE ALL.

What is there then higher than Matter or Energy that we know to be existent in the Universe? LIFE AND MIND! Life and Mind in all their varying degrees of unfoldment! "Then," you ask, "do you mean to tell us that THE ALL is LIFE and MIND?" Yes! and No! is our answer. If you mean Life and Mind as we poor petty mortals know them, we say No! THE ALL is not that! "But what kind of Life and Mind do you mean?" you ask.

The answer is "LIVING MIND, as far above that which mortals know by those words, as Life and Mind are higher than mechanical forces, or matter — INFINITE LIVING MIND as compared to finite Life and Mind." We mean that which the illumined souls mean when they reverently pronounce the word: "SPIRIT!"

"THE ALL" is Infinite Living Mind — the Illumined call it SPIRIT!

5:44 AM

Hermetists refer to that which is understood as "GOD" in other religions as THE ALL by the way. (edited)

Gotcha

5:45 AM

It cannot be added to nor subtracted from

Nice parallel wording

haha yeah.

Yeah I essentially agree 100 % with that extract

5:46 AM

"Living mind" I would rephrase as "consciousness"

5:47 AM

The "full" description of the human being from the framework goes like this: A human being is impersonal consciousness of Source linking to a particular body/mind organism, functioning through it as a personal consciousness experience

5:48 AM

And "impersonal consciousness" is described as "formless awareness + the impersonal sense of 'I am' "

Like I said, it's my favorite "proof" of what is God. Mind you I grew up Christian, believing in the poorly described god as a Male in the sky that can see everything and is everywhere. And over time that just didn't feel like it was a very good description of such an entity.

Same boat here, I grew up as a Jehovah's Witness

5:52 AM

discovered pantheism through LSD haha

I like that you would rephrase Living mind but opon providing a "full" description of what is human being you mention Source which is essentially "The All" /"infinite living mind" /"infinite consciousness" OOF Jehovah's Witness' are scary. I entered this path when I learned that there are Universal Truths that can be found in all religion and set myself on a quest to find more universal truths.